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Poster: Round Robin Date: Oct 31, 2008 2:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: How do you store your shows?

How do you store the shows you've downloaded? Do you keep them solely on a hard drive or burn every one of them to CD? Do you put the CD's in cases or wallets? Do you print/write the track listings for each CD?

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Poster: waynecs Date: Nov 1, 2008 7:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How do you store your shows?

Data DVDs.I don't trust HDs.

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Poster: smgarcia Date: Oct 31, 2008 9:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How do you store your shows?

I don't know how you guys can burn all your shows to CD...I would require maybe about 1000 CD's? I would have to do the math but each CD holds 70 min, I have 420 shows, a total of about 43 days (which is 62,000 minutes), so I would need 62,000/70 = 890 CD's. That's ridiculous.

Why not store them as .mp3, high bitrate, on DVD? You can store a whole lot more.

BTW, right now I have all of mine on two HD's.

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Poster: fireeagle Date: Nov 1, 2008 4:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How do you store your shows?

been downloading for 5 years
1000 : 5 = 200 cds per year
200 : 365 = 0.547 cds per day

if u use dvd and lose it, u lose much more

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Poster: LostSailorRecordings Date: Nov 1, 2008 7:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How do you store your shows?

Master copies stored on both digital media and Western Digital External HDD's. The HDD's, when filled, are then hermetically sealed, and stored. I have run HDD's in raid configuration for redundancy of information, but the drives fail at normal intervals due to constantly being powered-up and spinning. Plugging in an external, and writing to it, and then disconnecting it seems to have the safest and most secure answers to storage, but I am willing to listen to the perfect answer!
Remember Maxell UDXL-90's...?

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Poster: DireWharf Date: Nov 1, 2008 9:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How do you store your shows?

If high-bitrate mp3's are satisfactory for you (and they are for me), I'd say storing the mp3's on DVD's is most definitely the way to go. You can get 40 hours or so of 192Kbps VBR mp3's on a standard DVD.

fireeagle says "if u use dvd and lose it, u lose much more" -- but the thing is, if u use dvd, you can easily afford to make, like, 3 or more copies of each DVD and store them in different places.

Probably needless to say, hard drives always fail. It's not a matter of if; it's just a matter of when. Nobody knows how long home-burned DVD's are going to last, but if you make a few copies and store them reasonably well, you're sure to have at least one good set when the word goes around that they may be deteriorating soon -- at which point you'll be able to copy them to another storage device.

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Poster: smgarcia Date: Nov 1, 2008 7:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How do you store your shows?

A DVD half-life is the same as a CD half-life in this case. I'm just curious. You can't play DVD's in a CD boom-box, but for most people (but not all) they listen to their music on the computer or iPod.

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Poster: Scrim Date: Oct 31, 2008 7:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How do you store your shows?

I used to burn them to CD, but it got to be too much. Now it's all on external hard drives, with backup hard drives.

I have enough on CD to keep me happy in the car. In the next few years though, there will be terrabyte memory sticks that will hold all the lossless files you can stuff on it. And all music players (home stereo, car stereo, boom boxes) will have a plugin for the memory sticks. CD's are going out in the same way cassettes and vinyl records did. IMHO

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Poster: spacedface Date: Oct 31, 2008 9:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How do you store your shows?

I recently lost almost all of my downloads and buys which were on CDs & DVDs, including the Fillmore 69 run, in a fire where they were stored temporarily. Multiple backups of the most valuable things might be a good idea.

You might also watch out to keep CD and DVDs in a cool dark place to prevent deterioration which happens earlier than experts had thought.

Even hard disks need to be spun up every few months, and it might be a good idea to transfer them off and reformat the HD every year or 2.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 1, 2008 11:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How do you store your shows?

it's always good to stay in the boat. As Willard suggests:
"Never get out of the boat"

seek and ye shall find...

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Poster: spacedface Date: Nov 1, 2008 1:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How do you store your shows?

Thanks for offer. I'll stick with MP3 for some of the stuff and take my time rebuilding. I've bought albums again on CD and lost many of those multiple times already, so I don't mind being a bit jolly roger!

Even as easy as it is, it's a pain to download all the time. Collecting things can be a disease.

There's always something new I find here, like unexplored 1968 and:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd69-05-03.aud.phunk1.73.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Nov 1, 2008 11:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How do you store your shows?

spacedface, sorry to hear about your losing that stuff. I think I can help you with the files for the run you mentioned if you need to replace it. Let me know if you do.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Nov 1, 2008 1:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How do you store your shows?

On top of the Fridge (thats where the mini system lives)

On the floor of my car

I basically pray that the archive will remain so my precious AUDs will always be around.

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Nov 1, 2008 10:08pm
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me too JGlynn..... I just recently hooked up with high speed internet,so i really am just getting into downloading. Previously I had just streamed from the archive while at work. Some of the stuff I have downloaded, I have burned to disk, some is still sitting on the hard drive. I'm not real with it technologically speaking, so I may be a bit naive in these matters, but my feeling is that what I download onto cd is probably going to outlast me, so I don't worry about it too much. Hopefully the archive will be around for years to come, so we can all enjoy the music as well as the camaradery of this great forum.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Oct 31, 2008 5:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How do you store your shows?

cassettes. In the garage because my wife hates them in the house.

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Poster: fireeagle Date: Oct 31, 2008 3:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How do you store your shows?

3 hds + data cds. each show placed into separate folder w/ saved set list web page + eventual other info about the show + related pics and posters. i customise every folder and have a sticker for each decade

selected 1s > wav > audio cds. i make my own covers, ruthlessly butchering classic concert posters, pics and other art

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Oct 31, 2008 6:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How do you store your shows?

I burn mine to CD and keep them in large CD books. I buy the ones with around a 256 CD capacity, or the largest I can find. I keep them sorted by date so I can find whatever show I'm looking for with no problems.
The only drawback is every time I add a new show I have to shift the shows around in the books to keep them in order. If I am feeling lazy, or need a new book I keep the overflow in the empty CD spindles (in chronological order) until I get a new book and the time to place them in the books.
I used to have printed set lists, but now I just look up the show on the archive for the set list if I don't remember the show or just pop the show in and find out that way.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Nov 1, 2008 6:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How do you store your shows?

what skydawg said (!) I have all of my shows on 80min CD's.
None have deteriorated yet, even the 10yr old ones.
I only touch the edges, much like the care I gave to LP's long ago.
I've found not all CD books are the same. Some have an upper plastic edge that wears, over time, on the CD's top inner edge. The books with the removable pages that load sideways are the best, imo. With nothing abrasive for the CD to scrape against when you take it out or replace it


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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 31, 2008 3:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How do you store your shows?

Mine are all in three places: HD back up (ie, ext drive with 250gb); DVD "data" disk; CD for playback with (re JOTS) not so cool labeling system showing date of show on case.

Otherwise, "my friends", you may find yourself very unpset one day...

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Poster: ghostofghostofghostofRBNW Date: Oct 31, 2008 11:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How do you store your shows?

dont we all store it all together here...shared files if you will,at this wonderful website!! MANY THX TO ALL WHO MAKES THIS POSSIBLE !!!!!!!!!!!!

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Poster: jackstraw86 Date: Oct 31, 2008 2:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How do you store your shows?

I USED to burn them all to CD and make cool CD covers from photos I'd find but that became too time consuming. Now I store the files on a couple of external hard drives. I SHOULD back those up onto DVDs in case the hard drives fail but I've not done so. I have a fair amount copied to ITunes too.

I do download the set lists and if they don't exist I type them up; (their existence often depends on the band and the source of the tunes). It's important to me to have setlists just because that's how I roll.

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Poster: srtg83 Date: Nov 1, 2008 9:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How do you store your shows?

I am past CDs and DVDs for both storage and listening. I have 2 160gig i-pods for listening in the house and in the car and I use external hard drives for back up. I have three external drives a 250, 500 and 1T drives. The 250 and 500 gig drives are backed up unto the 1T drive. The risk with this set up is if two drives fail at the same time. I am actually considering backing up the back up. Probably in the next 12 months when the 1T external drives come down in price a little more.